IT-LIST Digest 55Topics covered in this issue include:  1) Re: Snappy ?	by Robert Smith   2) Re: Snappy ?	by Ron Neumeyer   3) Re: Snappy ?	by Laura Louise Cowen   4) Slow Startup under NT4.0	by dcm@image.bio.bnl.gov (Denise Monteleone)  5) Re: Slow Startup under NT4.0 (Denise Montleone)	by DaveMeistr@aol.com  6) Re: Slow Startup under NT4.0 (Denise Montleone)	by dcm@image.bio.bnl.gov (Denise Monteleone)  7) Re: Snappy ?	by Jeff Stiegman   8) Re: DT3155 and WinNT	by James Williams   9) Re: DT3155 and WinNT	by dcm@image.bio.bnl.gov (Denise Monteleone) 10) Re: DT3155 and WinNT	by dcm@image.bio.bnl.gov (Denise Monteleone) 11) Re: DT3155 and WinNT	by Bryan Crosby  12) Re: DT3155 and WinNT	by xz wang ----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:17:35 -0500From: Robert Smith To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Snappy ?Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961030171735.0067352c@curtech.com>At 10:50 AM 10/30/96 +0600, you wrote:>Hi everyone,>>I am considering to get another frame grabber board to work with IT. Is there>any suggestions? I was trying to get DT3155 to work, but it is just a long head>ache all along. I have basically tried for 3 months, and the DT guys are>hopeless. I want to send their card back and get a fresh start.>>So if there is any suggestions, please let me know of the board and the vendor.>>cheers,>Naimi>>Naimi:        How big is your hurry? I've been trying to get time to write aplug-in for our FF2 grabber for awhile now, but higher priority things keepgetting in the way.  If there were evidence of demand, maybe the priority ofthis project would increase...        The FF2 is a monochorme frame-grabber/Image-processor whose mainclaim-to-fame is providing an on-board DSP with extensive IP capabilities inan $800 board.  A lot of the IP stuff is redundant with IT, but the initialinterface would probably do nothing more than grab an image, anyway. Itwould be a good choice for someone who wanted to develop a subtle IPalgorithm with IT, and then write a single-purpose program using thefeatures of the FF2.  And of course, it will grab images like any other board..Bob             .  Robert A. Smith, Ph.D.  _____    .    Vision Systems' Analyst |     |<.      Current Technology, Inc. |_____|   .    (603) 868-2270     ^       .  mailto:ras@curtech.com    / \   /   \------------------------------Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:54:53 -0800 (PST)From: Ron Neumeyer To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Snappy ?Message-ID: <199610310254.SAA20493@zorro.bctel.ca>Naimi,Try the Snappy. If it does not do the job return it to the store (checkstore policy - repacking is easy).  It is an external device about the sizea cigarette package and comes with excellent software (diskette).  I use itfor grabbing images from a high band security camera.  Works great!unfortunately, I have no idea what "It" is??Regards,RonAt 10:45 AM 10/30/96 +0600, you wrote:>Hi everyone,>>I am considering to get another frame grabber board to work with IT. Is there>any suggestions? I was trying to get DT3155 to work, but it is just a long head>ache all along. I have basically tried for 3 months, and the DT guys are>hopeless. I want to send their card back and get a fresh start.>>So if there is any suggestions, please let me know of the board and the vendor.>>cheers,>Naimi>------------------------------Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:56:47 -0800 (PST)From: Laura Louise Cowen To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Snappy ?Message-ID: <199610310656.WAA22034@fraser>> > Hi everyone,> > I am considering to get another frame grabber board to work with IT. Is there> any suggestions? I was trying to get DT3155 to work, but it is just a long head> ache all along. I have basically tried for 3 months, and the DT guys are> hopeless. I want to send their card back and get a fresh start.> > So if there is any suggestions, please let me know of the board and the vendor.> > cheers,> Naimi> Hi Naimi, you mention Snappy in your subject and it just so happens I amsnap happy.  The only problems I have come across is that I am saving myimages in windows bitmap form.  IT recognises these images as such but Itdoesn't recognize them as binary.  I have also had great headakes overtrying to get IT to recognize sections of my originals as bitmaps.  Soforr a cheap way to go, Snappy has been great.good luck, Laura.-- Laura Cowen          lcowen@sfu.ca      Indeed, it is an extreme irony of evolution that the only      creatures capable of uncovering their own evolutionary       history, choose so often to cover it up. -Robert Russell               ------------------------------Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:06:29 -0500From: dcm@image.bio.bnl.gov (Denise Monteleone)To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Slow Startup under NT4.0Message-ID: <199610311506.KAA22981@image.bio.bnl.gov>		Hi, I just upgraded my pentium 133 pc to NT4.0.  Now it takes 1 min	and 45 sec to start Image Tool. Can anything be done about this?								Denise Montleone						Programmer/Analyst						Brookhaven National Laboratory												------------------------------Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:11:47 -0500From: DaveMeistr@aol.comTo: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Slow Startup under NT4.0 (Denise Montleone)Message-ID: <961031111146_1813151796@emout15.mail.aol.com>Dear Denise,I have a Micron P133 which I also upgraded to WinNT Workstation 4.0.  Ittakes me roughly 15 seconds to load ITools v 1.23 while running otherapplications in the background.  I have only 16Mb of RAM, but a fast SCSIDrive.WinNT is a lot bigger than Win95 or Win3.x in terms of both memory and drivespace required.  I would suggest increasing you RAM to at least 32 Mb and upto 64 Mb if you have large image files to analyze.  From our experience,WinNT runs on 16Mb, but slowly.  At 32 Mb it picks up speed and at 64MB, lookout.  I plan on upgrading my memory to 64Mb as soon as I can.You may also want to check your system to determine if you are running yourhard drive with slow drivers.  There may be a faster one available fromMicrosoft or the hard drive or computer system vendor.You may want to reformat your hard drive using the NTFS format instead of theDOS format.  NTFS is supposedly faster and better.You may have a dog of a hard drive controller.  Check it out, perhaps you canbuy a faster one with a nice big cache.Best Regards,Dave MohrMetallurgical Services CompanyLouisivlle, KY------------------------------Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:54:14 -0500From: dcm@image.bio.bnl.gov (Denise Monteleone)To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Slow Startup under NT4.0 (Denise Montleone)Message-ID: <199610311654.LAA23188@image.bio.bnl.gov>Dave,	Well, I had IT versions 1.23 and "1.25" starting in 15sec also, when	I was using NT3.51. But, it seems to only be a problem with NT4.0 and	IT1.25. I have 64Mb of RAM so I don't think that is the problem and, it	still doesn't have a problem opening images quickly, it's only during	the starting of the program.			P.S. Any other thoughts are welcomed!									Thank,							Denise------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:35:10 -0400From: Jeff Stiegman To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Snappy ?Message-ID: <3263BD3E.49A3@mail.msen.com>R. Naimi wrote:> > Hi everyone,> > I am considering to get another frame grabber board to work with IT. Is there> any suggestions? I was trying to get DT3155 to work, but it is just a long head> ache all along. I have basically tried for 3 months, and the DT guys are> hopeless. I want to send their card back and get a fresh start.> > So if there is any suggestions, please let me know of the board and the vendor.> > cheers,> NaimiNaimi,I hope you don't mind a response from a vendor.  We at BioPhotonicsmanufacture digital imaging systems for a variety of applications.  Oneof our most recent introductions is the BP-M1/TWAIN kit.We have developed a TWAIN interface which controls both the exposureduration of our BP-M1 CCD camera and the capture capability of theframegrabber.  TWAIN is an industry standard which allows software tocommunicate with image input devices like page scanners.  Any TWAINcompliant software application can run any TWAIN compliant hardware.In your situation you may not need to purchase the BP-M1/TWAIN Kit.  Youcould purchase just the framegrabber and TWAIN software.  We've testedit with ImageTool and it works just fine.  If you use either our BP-M1camera, or COHU's model 4910 CCD camera, the TWAIN interface will allowyou to control the exposure duration as well.Prices for the PCI bus 2Mb grayscale (8 bit) version of the framegrabberstart at $1,095 including the TWAIN software.If you would like additional information send me you FAX number and I'llsend you a spec sheet for the BP-M1 TWAIN kit.Best RegardsJeff StiegmanGeneral ManagerBioPhotonics CorporationAnn Arbor, MIU.S.A.------------------------------Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:00:08 -0700 (PDT)From: James Williams To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: DT3155 and WinNTMessage-ID: <2.2.16.19961031095604.0777c264@AXP1.SALK.EDU>Gary & ITers,        There have been many posts to the list recently about getting DataTranslations frame grabbers to work with Image Tool.  After getting a DT3152(not a 3155, sorry) to work yesterday with NT 3.51, I thought that I wouldsend in my little bit.             It seems that the trickiest part is getting the correct SDK fromData Translations.  There are specific versions for each operating systemversion (win 3.1, 95 or NT 3.51, and these are $100 EACH!!  After that, itwas important to install things in the correct order.  The correct order wasdevice driver, then SDK, and finally IT.  The device driver has to beinstalled via drivers section in the control panel of NT 3.51.  (Don't bemisled by the file "install" on the disk like I was).  The SDK and IT, onthe other hand, have their own setup programs.        I also tried to get things to work in NT 4.0.  Apparently, the SDKis not ready for NT 4.0.  I spoke to Data Translations tech support, andthey were predicting 2-3 more months before the 4.0 SDK is out.  Image Toolitself seemed to work in NT 4.0, but without the frame grabber I didn't domuch testing.        It took a bit to get things up, but I am impressed.  IT is prettyslick.  Thanks IT developersjames williamssalk institute>Does anyone have the DT3155 card working in WinNT?  What do you need to  >do this?  We would like to use IT.  Do we need Data Translations SDK kit >for NT to be able use IT.  And does IT work with NT 4.0 or just 3.51?>Gary Marshall------------------------------Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:44:06 -0500From: dcm@image.bio.bnl.gov (Denise Monteleone)To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: DT3155 and WinNTMessage-ID: <199610311944.OAA23395@image.bio.bnl.gov>	Hi, I'm running NT4.0 and have a DT3155 board. So far, I have been able	to get DT-Aquire to work in single fram and passthru mode. As far as	it all working with ImageTool ver1.25, I just started to try and have	not gotten it to work yet. When I got to select source, it crashes.	This was never a problem with NT3.51.							Denise Monteleone					Programmer/Analyst					Brookhaven National Laboratory ------------------------------Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:53:02 -0500From: dcm@image.bio.bnl.gov (Denise Monteleone)To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: DT3155 and WinNTMessage-ID: <199610311953.OAA23406@image.bio.bnl.gov>	Hi, I just got ImageTool ver 1.25 and NT4.0 and DT3155 board to work.	I haven version 1.01 Rev B Of the DT3155 drivers and SDK Version 1.00	for Windows NT. I found out that you shouldn' t use select source,	go sraight to Data Translations Aquire. It then works fine.								Denise Monteleone------------------------------Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:01:45 GMTFrom: Bryan Crosby To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: DT3155 and WinNTMessage-ID: <199611011701.RAA04771@w0b.ph.ed.ac.uk>Well I have made some enquiries because I have recently bought dt3157 adigital frame grabber and apparently it is possible to get SDK to run on4.0.The trick I am told(I have not tried it yet) it to tell WIN NT 4.00 thatthe item being installed is a media resource. For more details you toocan harass DT. Bill Bowsher in the UK office has done this successfullyI am assured. I will also give it a try later on. When I get my cameradeleivered to properly test the effect.> Gary & ITers,>         There have been many posts to the list recently about getting Data> Translations frame grabbers to work with Image Tool.  After getting a DT3152> (not a 3155, sorry) to work yesterday with NT 3.51, I thought that I would> send in my little bit.     >         It seems that the trickiest part is getting the correct SDK from> Data Translations.  There are specific versions for each operating system> version (win 3.1, 95 or NT 3.51, and these are $100 EACH!!  After that, it> was important to install things in the correct order.  The correct order was> device driver, then SDK, and finally IT.  The device driver has to be> installed via drivers section in the control panel of NT 3.51.  (Don't be> misled by the file "install" on the disk like I was).  The SDK and IT, on> the other hand, have their own setup programs.>         I also tried to get things to work in NT 4.0.  Apparently, the SDK> is not ready for NT 4.0.  I spoke to Data Translations tech support, and> they were predicting 2-3 more months before the 4.0 SDK is out.  Image Tool> itself seemed to work in NT 4.0, but without the frame grabber I didn't do> much testing.>         It took a bit to get things up, but I am impressed.  IT is pretty> slick.  Thanks IT developers> > james williams> salk institute> > >Does anyone have the DT3155 card working in WinNT?  What do you need to  > >do this?  We would like to use IT.  Do we need Data Translations SDK kit > >for NT to be able use IT.  And does IT work with NT 4.0 or just 3.51?> > >Gary Marshall> > ------------------------------Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 18:03:47 +0000From: xz wang To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: DT3155 and WinNTMessage-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961101180347.008cb0b4@cruncher.civ.hw.ac.uk>Hi, ITersNT 4.0+IT+DT3152 works with CCD camera if you install the DT driver as amedia resource. Steps:1. Clink(or doubleclink) settings, control panel, multimedia2. Choose devices, add, unlisted or updated driver3. Broswe to the DT NT(3.51) driver disk (a:) and OK4. Clink the listed DT-3152 driver and choose the memory as DT readme filesugested and it was done if  no error messages. (32M RAM is needed for theNT machine and bad news is RAM price is up again)5. Restart machine you will see the drive is under Other Multimedia Devices Want live pictures, you need set the graphics card back to 256 colors.Can somebody show some lights on these issues ? 1.  How to adjust (access) the programmable Gain control of DT3152, I findthe image was too dark with DT3152+IT.2.  The "live" (passthrough) image display on IT is not really live like theAsynchronous passthrough on WINDOWS 3.11 with DTOL. Is it possible?  Whataffect the display speed?Thanks to the peoples brought us IT.xizhou wangAt 11:05 01/11/96 +0600, you wrote:>Well >I have made some enquiries because I have recently bought dt3157 a>digital frame grabber and apparently it is possible to get SDK to run on>4.0.>The trick I am told(I have not tried it yet) it to tell WIN NT 4.00 that>the item being installed is a media resource. For more details you too>can harass DT. Bill Bowsher in the UK office has done this successfully>I am assured. I will also give it a try later on. When I get my camera>deleivered to properly test the effect.>>> Gary & ITers,>>         There have been many posts to the list recently about getting Data>> Translations frame grabbers to work with Image Tool.  After getting a DT3152>> (not a 3155, sorry) to work yesterday with NT 3.51, I thought that I would>> send in my little bit.     >>         It seems that the trickiest part is getting the correct SDK from>> Data Translations.  There are specific versions for each operating system>> version (win 3.1, 95 or NT 3.51, and these are $100 EACH!!  After that, it>> was important to install things in the correct order.  The correct order was>> device driver, then SDK, and finally IT.  The device driver has to be>> installed via drivers section in the control panel of NT 3.51.  (Don't be>> misled by the file "install" on the disk like I was).  The SDK and IT, on>> the other hand, have their own setup programs.>>         I also tried to get things to work in NT 4.0.  Apparently, the SDK>> is not ready for NT 4.0.  I spoke to Data Translations tech support, and>> they were predicting 2-3 more months before the 4.0 SDK is out.  Image Tool>> itself seemed to work in NT 4.0, but without the frame grabber I didn't do>> much testing.>>         It took a bit to get things up, but I am impressed.  IT is pretty>> slick.  Thanks IT developers>> >> james williams>> salk institute>> >> >Does anyone have the DT3155 card working in WinNT?  What do you need to  >> >do this?  We would like to use IT.  Do we need Data Translations SDK kit >> >for NT to be able use IT.  And does IT work with NT 4.0 or just 3.51?>> >> >Gary Marshall>> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------Dr. X. Wang	Fluids Loading and Instrumentation Centre	Dept. of Civil & Offshore Eng.Heriot-Watt university, Edinburgh, EH14 4AS	E-mail: X.Wang@hw.ac.ukPhone:(44)-(0)131-451 3149   Fax:(44)-(0)131 451 3154---------------------------------------------------------		------------------------------End of IT-LIST Digest 55