IT-LIST Digest 5Topics covered in this issue include:  1) listowners note: housekeeping	by "Deahl.Tom"   2) Re: Windows 3.1	by Peter.Stalmans@med.kuleuven.ac.be (Peter Stalmans)  3) Re: Windows 3.1	by "S. Brent Dove"   4) line profile	by Gerald Luther Graef   5) Re: line profile	by "S. Brent Dove"   6) Can't print histogram, line profile or get at particle data	by "Peter D. Cherry"   7) Zoom/Scroll Bug	by Squiers   8) Installation problems ("Entry point not found")	by Massimo Ciscato   9) RE: Zoom/Scroll Bug	by Don Wilcox  10) Image Tool errors	by Halldor Gudmundsson  11) RE: Installation problems ("Entry point not found")	by Ajai Sehgal  12) Thresholding images	by Jonathan Getliff ----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:22:20 -0600From: "Deahl.Tom" To: it-list distribution Subject: listowners note: housekeepingMessage-ID: You are subscribed to IT-LIST, a nonmoderated discussion list on ImageTool,hosted by the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio.To unsubscribe, send the command   unsubscribe it-list in the body of email to   listproc@sparky.uthscsa.eduTo post a message to the list, send your note to   it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduIT-LIST is archived at   http://ddsdx.uthscsa.edu/dig/it-list-archive/it-list.html------------------------------Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:20:51 +0100From: Peter.Stalmans@med.kuleuven.ac.be (Peter Stalmans)To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Windows 3.1Message-ID: <199601171820.AA30167@cc5.kuleuven.ac.be>>What happens if I try to load this software on Windows 3.1? My >University won't let us install Win 95...doesn't work with our >network applications.Maybe you could try installing the Win32s extension in Win 3.1, which makesit possible to run 32 bit applications under Win3.1 (though I never tried torun ImageTool in Win32s).It is downloadable at:ftp://ftp/ncsa.uiuc.edu/mosaic/windows/win32sole.exePeter Stalmans, MDPeter.Stalmans@med.kuleuven.ac.beLaboratory of Physiology KULeuvenHerestraat 49B-3000 LeuvenBelgiumtel: +32-16-34 71 46fax: +32-16-34 59 91------------------------------Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:49:20 -0500 (CDT)From: "S. Brent Dove" To: IT List Subject: Re: Windows 3.1Message-ID: <01I04AR5TAVM009DQB@uthscsa.edu>Hello IT Users,UTHSCSA ImageTool is a 32 bit Windows95 and Windows NT application.  The application will not run under any version of Windows 3.11 or Win32S.  S. Brent Dove                            Voice: (210) 567-3333Diagnostic Sciences                      Fax:   (210) 567-3334University of Texas                      Email: dove@uthscsa.eduHealth Science Center                    Web:   ddsdx.uthscsa.eduSan Antonio, TX    USA                   ftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:38:58 -0600 (CST)From: Gerald Luther Graef To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: line profileMessage-ID: <199601180338.VAA23777@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>Hello,We are trying to analyze particles using line profile.  We'd like to beable to draw a line across a particle to determine size, etc.  We need tobe able to move the line (in case it isn't at the right angle, or across the widestpoint), which, as far as we can tell, IT can't do.  Is there someway tomove an existing line (its also very useful for analyzing multipleparticles -- we would be guarenteed parallel lines for different particles) inthe line profile and remeasure?  Also, the profile histogram does not havean x-axis, nor a way to determine the coordinate of a point on thehistogram.  We'd greatly appreciate any help.  As it is, IT is very close to being ableto do what we need, but its not quite there.Thanks,Gerry------------------------------Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:03:26 -0500 (CDT)From: "S. Brent Dove" To: IT List Subject: Re: line profileMessage-ID: <01I05J8SBMXU00AVSY@uthscsa.edu>Hello Gerry,In a previous message you stated:>We are trying to analyze particles using line profile.  We'd like to be>able to draw a line across a particle to determine size, etc.  We need to>be able to move the line (in case it isn't at the right angle, >or across the widest>point), which, as far as we can tell, IT can't do.  Is there someway to>move an existing line (its also very useful for analyzing multiple>particles -- we would be guarenteed parallel lines for different >particles) in>the line profile and remeasure?  Also, the profile histogram does not have>an x-axis, nor a way to determine the coordinate of a point on the>histogram. It sound like you want to perform object analysis more specifically you need object descriptors like major and minor axis.  Boy are you in luck the latest version of IT version 1.1.1 now has a complete object or particle analysis plug-in.  First you find the objects using a thresholding function, then you analyze all the particle identified.  Over twenty different measurements for each object can be performed.  These are selected using the Preferences selection.  The program automatically will define the major axis or the longest distance in the particle you can also find the minor axis or shortest distance through an object. These method provide a more objective reproducible method that manually drawing a line throught the object. I hope that these features may address your objectives.  The manual describe these measurement and the mathematical formulas for there calculation.S. Brent Dove                            Voice: (210) 567-3333Diagnostic Sciences                      Fax:   (210) 567-3334University of Texas                      Email: dove@uthscsa.eduHealth Science Center                    Web:   ddsdx.uthscsa.eduSan Antonio, TX    USA                   ftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:23:27 -0500From: "Peter D. Cherry" To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Can't print histogram, line profile or get at particle dataMessage-ID: <31000BCF.5112@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>> the latest version of IT version 1.1.1 now has a complete object or> particle analysis plug-in.  First you find the objects using a> thresholding function, then you analyze all the particle identified.> Over twenty different measurements for each object can be performed.Two problems runing IT 1.1.1 under Windows 95.  1)When I use the line profile tool, the graph is fine but the Print profile selection is greyed on the file menu.  This also is the case for the Print histogram menu choice following a successful display of the graph. 2)The demo of particle analysis macro runs fine, but when I open an image file on my own, threshold maually and binarize, the results window reports number of particles and outlines them on the image (and generates a new black and white image with particels traced) but not the data for the particles.  Object analysis reports that there are no objects in the image.Also does IT run better under NT?  I have a DT3155 so I would consider going to NT.  I'd like to continue peer-to-peer networking with my Win95 and WFW machines.  Any suggestions on what version of NT I should get?------------------------------Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:39:43 -0500From: Squiers To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Zoom/Scroll BugMessage-ID: <199601232139.QAA02619@gateway.cybernet.com>I have attempted to use IT for manually picking pixels out of images.  I amusing v 1.1 and the "Points" tools.  The only time the pixel positions arerecorded correctly in the "Results" window, is when the image is neithermagnified nor scrolls (i.e., 100% of the image doesn't fit in the window).The pixel position is being reported correctly on the status line, it's justnot recorded in a useful manner :)BTW: This is a wonderful program...it's been helpful in making the difficulttransition from Mac to PC...Thank you,M.D. Squiers,Research EngineerCybernet Systems Corporationhttp://www.cybernet.comPhone: (313) 668-2567       (313) 668-8780 (FAX)------------------------------Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 14:49:36 -0800From: Massimo Ciscato To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Installation problems ("Entry point not found")Message-ID: <9601251345.AA08327@alpha.luc.ac.be>I am doing image analysis on a NT workstation. I have downloaded it.zip and dll.zip, made the installation, but when i try to run it i get:              IT.EXE - Entry point not found   The procedure entry point PropertySheetA could not be located in the    dynamic link library COMCTL32.dll.The library is in \windows\system32.Does anyone know what's wrong?Furthermore, is there any mirror site to ftp IT? I can't get a good connection to maxrad6.uthscsa.edu.Thanks                               Massimo------------------------------Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:03:18 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: 'ImageTool List Server' Subject: RE: Zoom/Scroll BugMessage-ID: <01BAEAFB.A7EE1980@slip2.xroads.com>----------From:  Squiers[SMTP:maddog@gateway.cybernet.com]Sent:  Wednesday, January 24, 1996 07:42 PMSubject:  Zoom/Scroll BugI have attempted to use IT for manually picking pixels out of images.  I amusing v 1.1 and the "Points" tools.  The only time the pixel positions arerecorded correctly in the "Results" window, is when the image is neithermagnified nor scrolls (i.e., 100% of the image doesn't fit in the window).The pixel position is being reported correctly on the status line, it's justnot recorded in a useful manner :)Thanks for the report.  I will look into the problem, and have it fixed for the next release.BTW: This is a wonderful program...it's been helpful in making the difficulttransition from Mac to PC...I'm glad you like it.Don Wilcox------------------------------Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 20:58:57 GMTFrom: Halldor Gudmundsson To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Image Tool errorsMessage-ID: <199601222058.AA181394337@iti.is>Dear IT users/developersIt seems that I am not the only one getting the error below when I try torun Image Tool version 1.1 on Windows 95. When I try to analyze a jpeg image, it counts the objects satisfactorilybut when I tryto do an Object Analysis the program crashes with the following message:        IT caused an exception 10H in module UTILIB31.DLL at                0137:006d345bOnce this error is cleared and I quit the program I get the error:        IT caused an exception C0000026H in Module KERNEL32.DLL at                0137:bffb87c0Any idea why this is occuring?Halldor Gudmundsson     |  Halldor.Gudmundsson@iti.isProject manager |Technological Institute of Iceland	tel: +354 - 587 - 7000	Keldnaholti, IS-112 Reykjavik	fax: +354 - 587 -  7409Iceland------------------------------Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:31:36 -0500From: Ajai Sehgal To: "'it-list@sparky.uthscsa.edu'" Subject: RE: Installation problems ("Entry point not found")Message-ID: <01BAEB5B.BE8D6A00@sehgal.nccts.drenet.dnd.ca>------ =_NextPart_000_01BAEB5B.BE9691C0Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitYou need NT Version 3.51. IT won't work with NT 3.5.Ajai.----------From: 	Massimo Ciscato[SMTP:mciscato@alpha.sparky.uthscsa.edu]Sent: 	January 24, 1996 21:55 PMTo: 	sehgal@ncs.dnd.caSubject: 	Installation problems ("Entry point not found")I am doing image analysis on a NT workstation. I have downloaded it.zip and dll.zip, made the installation, but when i try to run it i get:              IT.EXE - Entry point not found   The procedure entry point PropertySheetA could not be located in the    dynamic link library COMCTL32.dll.The library is in \windows\system32.Does anyone know what's wrong?Furthermore, is there any mirror site to ftp IT? I can't get a good connection to maxrad6.uthscsa.edu.Thanks                               Massimo------ =_NextPart_000_01BAEB5B.BE9691C0Content-Type: application/ms-tnefContent-Transfer-Encoding: base64eJ8+IiUAAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAGADwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAFMAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDdAQ9UAgAAAABpdC1saXN0QHNwYXJreS51dGhzY3NhLmVkdQBTTVRQAGl0LWxpc3RAc3Bhcmt5LnV0aHNjc2EuZWR1AAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAGwAAAGl0LWxpc3RAc3Bhcmt5LnV0aHNjc2EuZWR1AAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAdAAAAJ2l0LWxpc3RAc3Bhcmt5LnV0aHNjc2EuZWR1JwAAAAACAQswAQAAACAAAABTTVRQOklULUxJU1RAU1BBUktZLlVUSFNDU0EuRURVAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAADUEABCIAHABgAAABJUE0uTWljcm9zb2Z0IE1haWwuTm90ZQAxCAEEgAEANAAAAFJFOiBJbnN0YWxsYXRpb24gcHJvYmxlbXMgKCJFbnRyeSBwb2ludCBub3QgZm91bmQiKQAlEgEFgAMADgAAAMwHAQAZABMAHwAkAAQARwEBIIADAA4AAADMBwEAGQATAB4ALwAEAFEBAQmAAQAhAAAAMjlBNTMwMTE0RTU3Q0YxMTgxMTYwMjYwOEM4QzMyOTUA1wYBA5AGAAAFAAASAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAYNCqpoXrugEeAHAAAQAAADQAAABSRTogSW5zdGFsbGF0aW9uIHByb2JsZW1zICgiRW50cnkgcG9pbnQgbm90IGZvdW5kIikAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbrrhaaqETClKldOEc+BFgJgjIwylQAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABIAAABzZWhnYWxAbmNzLmRuZC5jYQAAAAMABhAx//wZAwAHEDkCAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABZT1VORUVETlRWRVJTSU9OMzUxSVRXT05UV09SS1dJVEhOVDM1QUpBSS0tLS0tLS0tLS1GUk9NOk1BU1NJTU9DSVNDQVRPU01UUDpNQ0lTQ0FUT0BBTFBIQVNQQVJLWVVUSFNDAAAAAAIBCRABAAAAaQMAAGUDAAAUBgAATFpGdX808EH/AAoBDwIVAqgF6wKDAFAC8gkCAGNoCsBzZXQyNwYABsMCgzIDxQIAcHJCcRHic3RlbQKDM/cC5AcTAoM0A0UTNQdtAoN2NRLMFMV9CoAIzwnZO/EZzzI1NQKACoENsQtg4G5nMTAzFFALChVhJQvyYwBAIFkIYCBuxQngZAewVCBWBJAAkAECICAzLjUxLiBqSR9QdwIgJwVAIIByYmsgcGl0aB8yH/EucwqFCoVBagtwIe0K9GwQaTE4MALRaS0xPDQ0DfAM0CUDC1kxNtcKoANgE9BjBUAtJycKh9cl2wwwJqZGA2E6KC4mphsMggXQYQQQB3BvIEMBBABjYXRvW1NNoFRQOm1jLHRAB0AScBGALnMKsWt5LjZ1IVAE8HMuAAmAdV2/J88o3QZgAjAqDysbSgBwAnUKwHkgMjQsIJAxOTk2M+AxOhwQmCBQTS9fKN1UbzGfkysbEbBoZwdAQG4u0OAuZG5kLiyQNQ8wbrh1Ymom4TcvKxtJAID1AZBsC2B0H7ImoQJgE+AxBCAoIkUCMDPBcG+rC4AFQG4mwCACEHU5wMwiKSMvJDMzNiWnFFEDC/ImpkkgYW0gZIlAUWcgB3BhZ2VEYK5uB0ATsAQAIB/BYR8yryDiPoE+4iAxIBGAdkVA6USgd24ZYGENsB8gIUC8LnoFICJWAHAfIGQ+sO9IgjQQAMANsCAhUEVAC4B7Pog0EGIukCBwSnADoGnnSlAzwSywIHJBAEhRTAEfRTA8cCH8TkwgUC5FWLpFJxAgP+9A8k3oVEpxbSahYy8RGdAgMWFP91DFA2BwBJB0eVNKcBHAZEEgBaB1bB8gQKJif0VAGWAskUgyA6BKYk3oZOJ5RXBtaWNVAAuAIRAJJGBicjOyQ09NQ/BUTDMyOaBJkSH8UbLnV3ZFwVWRXFwD8DnAR8A5EyBccxOzWFEKhURv2weRAHB5AiBFQGtAoAfga0vALKAnBCB3A2Ac0D/tCoVGCHBKYXIEYBnQNBDfRcFe8kVCM9BW4HIDYAXAvwCQE9BMYgGASLAgUD9EQc8skCCiTTFGEWdvBHAiVn0FoG4e8CbwH7JMcQDAePlXoGQ2Looh5lGwAHBGoP9Nf2dvTkkr5SH8QV9CbheSF0OpCoUY8QBuMAAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwoL9miYXrugFAAAgwoL9miYXrugEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAEV0------ =_NextPart_000_01BAEB5B.BE9691C0--------------------------------Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:57:07 +0000From: Jonathan Getliff To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Thresholding imagesMessage-ID: <199601261156.MAA21042@epsu13.Clamart.WIRELINE.SLB.COM>Apolgies if this is a dumb question but...I'm having problems thresholding scanned in PCX type colour images i.e. Ican't use the  threshold, contrast and erode & dilate routines on theseimages.   Any ideas why  this is or am I missing something dead simple?(Interestingly if I use 'Find Objects' it goes into the thresholding routineok, any ideas?)Regards Jon G------------------------------End of IT-LIST Digest 5***********************