IT-LIST Digest 48Topics covered in this issue include:  1) file owl50f.dll 	by Alvaro Castro - Profesor Facultad Odontologia   2) Do you receive my email?	by "R. Naimi _ OptoNeurons"   3) Saving stacks and other issues	by "Brian O'Rourke"   4) How to read special format in IT	by M M Al-Mousawi   5) Re: How to read special format in IT	by shaf   6) Re: binary file question	by Laura Louise Cowen   7) Re: Do you receive my email?	by In Kyoon Lyoo   8) Re: identifying objects	by "Alan Hale"   9) Re: Do you receive my email?	by pim van maurik  10) DT3155 problem!	by "R. Naimi"  11) Re: Do you receive my email?	by Nirmala Kaldindi  12) listowner's note: READ ME if you want a copy of your own message	by DEAHL@uthscsa.edu 13) Re: DT3155 problem!	by "Tony Collins" ----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 07:22:52 -0500 (EST)From: Alvaro Castro - Profesor Facultad Odontologia To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: file owl50f.dll Message-ID: I have installed IT 1.25, but  IT can not find the follow file: OWL50F.DLL.How may I fix the problem ?ThanksAlvaro Castro, DDSProfesor de RadiologiaFacultad te OdontologiaUniversidad JaverianaSantafe de Bogota, Colombiae-mail : acastro@javercol.javeriana.edu------------------------------Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 14:11:25 BSTFrom: "R. Naimi _ OptoNeurons" To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Do you receive my email?Message-ID: <9609201311.AA00352@commserve1.lut.ac.uk>Sorry about this,that is if it get posted,I haven't been able to postanything to it-list.cheers,naimi------------------------------Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:47:47 -0400From: "Brian O'Rourke" To: "'Image Tool List'" Subject: Saving stacks and other issuesMessage-ID: <01BBA6D8.C822EF20@BOR(new)>The program is very nice, but it has limited usefulness to me (and maybe =to others) right now for a few reasons, as follows:1) I am having problems saving stacks.  I end up with a 0kB file.  This =applies to both RGB 24bit stacks and Grayscale stacks.  Is there a bug =in the program or am I doing something wrong?2) Although a macro script is possible, there is no way to automate =image series processing for the lack of two key functions.  First, if =there was a SAVE object action multiple image processing could be =automated (even without loop support since macro text could be generated =in any environment).  Second, features like the line profile tool seem =to require manual resetting on each new image.  If they could be =retained, processing a sequence of images would be much improved.I know a macro language is on the drawing board, but a lot could be done =if these small changes were implemented in the existing macro command =list.  I have programmed a lot using Visual Basic, but I don't have time =to take on the new challenge of writing a plug-in in a different =language to analyze my images.  Perhaps you might consider support for =OLE DLLs which are easily created in Visual Basic. =20Is there a time frame for macro language support?Thanks.Brian O'Rourke, Ph.D.Johns Hopkins University------------------------------Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:55:57 -0400 (EDT)From: M M Al-Mousawi To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: How to read special format in ITMessage-ID: Can any one help with using Image Tool to read, analyse, postprocess images in an .nlp format originally saved with a program written in Microsoft C ver 5.1 environment. Hopw can this *.nlp image be translated to amore common format such as tif and where can I find information about .nlp format.Many thanks in advance for any herlp. entmam@staffs.ac.uk ------------------------------Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:35:10 -0200From: shaf To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: How to read special format in ITMessage-ID: <2.2.32.19960920113510.0069bccc@darkwing.uoregon.edu>At 11:08 AM 9/20/96 +0600, entmam@staffs.ac.uk wrote:>Can any one help with using Image Tool to read, analyse, postprocess imagesin an .nlp >format originally saved with a program written in Microsoft C ver 5.1environment. Hopw >can this *.nlp image be translated to amore common format such as tif andwhere can I find >information about .nlp format.>Many thanks in advance for any herlp. >>>entmam@staffs.ac.uk,  If you have access to Photoshop and know the size of your image bitmap(e.g., 512x512), then you can use the "open as *.RAW" capability ... thatis, (1) open as RAW; (2) enter the x and y resolutions; (3) then tellPhotoshop to "guess" at the header size. If the NIP format is entirely inthe header this should open the file, and you'd be able to "save as" TIFF.Even if some of the NIP format is in a "trailer", open the image anyway,look at it, and enter the header size manually ... make note of what works,and then use the same header size on subsequent NIP files.  Then again, someone will reply with a canned "open NIP" solution ...cheers, shaf\\\\\   cognito, ergo zZOooOM   \\\\\Michael Shaffer - mshaf@oregon.uoregon.edu - mshaf@darkwing.uoregon.eduElectron Microprobe Facility - Geological Sciences - University of Oregon               http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mshaf/shafhome/------------------------------Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:03:03 -0700 (PDT)From: Laura Louise Cowen To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: binary file questionMessage-ID: <199609202303.QAA01228@fraser>Thanks for the advice, I will give it a go.-- Laura Cowen          lcowen@sfu.ca      Indeed, it is an extreme irony of evolution that the only      creatures capable of uncovering their own evolutionary       history, choose so often to cover it up. -Robert Russell               ------------------------------Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:31:24 +0900From: In Kyoon Lyoo To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Do you receive my email?Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960921043124.0067be70@plaza>At 08:22 =BF=C0=C0=FC 96-09-20 +0600, you wrote:>Sorry about this,>that is if it get posted,>I haven't been able to post>anything to it-list.>>cheers,>naimi>>Dear Naimi:I received your email.Thanks.------------------------------Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:47:09 +0000From: "Alan Hale" To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: identifying objectsMessage-ID: <199609212250.XAA29695@captain.celtic.co.uk>(I posted this response directly to Alicia 2 weeks ago, since I was having a problem posting to the IT-list. I think these are solved so I am posting it now in case anyone else has a comment)> Hi, I am new to using image tool, but it seems to be just what I need. > I am trying to use it to calculate areas in scanned images of > leaves.  When I use the Find objects command, certain leaves are not > recognised as objects.  Why would this be?  I have tried tweaking the > thresholding and hump size options but to no effect.> > Alicia Prowse> ap2@bolton.ac.ukThis is what I do (with images of lichens), though there may be a better way:1 Open your scanned image in Paint Shop Pro or similar.2 Using the "lassoo" tool trace the outlines of your objects to select them (hold the Shift key to trace multiple outlines.3 With the background colour set to black, Cut the objects from the image - then Cut again.4 Change the background colour to white, and Paste as New Image.You should now have your objects in black on a white background. This new image should be saved, then opened in Image Tool, where the Find Objects tool  should  have no problem recognisingand marking  the objects.I use a scale in the original image to calibrate Image Tool, then ObjectAnalysis to find Areas, Perimeters etc.Works fine for me, though a bit long-winded. maybe someone has a better way? I'd like to hear. Alan Hale"Whenever rains, swollens streams and grumbling companions combined to overwhelm me with chagrin, I found reason to thank heaven which had enabled me to forget for the moment all my troubles in the contemplation of a simple moss."   after Richard Spruce.------------------------------Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:52:21 +0200From: pim van maurik To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Do you receive my email?Message-ID: <3.0b24.32.19960923085221.006a3fd4@emsaserv.biol.ruu.nl>At 23:30 20-09-96 +0600, you wrote:>At 08:22 =BF=C0=C0=FC 96-09-20 +0600, you wrote:>>Sorry about this,>>that is if it get posted,>>I haven't been able to post>>anything to it-list.>>>>cheers,>>naimi>>>>>>Dear Naimi:>>I received your email.>>Thanks.>>  Martyn Drury       ------------------------------Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:27:00 +001 (GMT0)From: "R. Naimi" To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: DT3155 problem!Message-ID: <3246D744.92FC.0000@lut.ac.uk>Hi everyone,I appologize for the test message, I sent before.I still have the problem with the software crashing after 4 captured imagesfrom the camera. However, I was testing the settings to see if it makes anydifference or not?I found out that under DTOL configure, when I click on1. Active Area2. Frame SizeAlthough every option is disabled upon pressing OK or APPLY buttons, ITcrashes.I haven't actually changed anything, but IT crashes?Has anyone had similar problems? or can direct me to a solution?Thanks in advance for any inputs,R.Naimi------------------------------Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:10:42 -0500From: Nirmala Kaldindi To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Do you receive my email?Message-ID: <199609231810.NAA09264@isip01.isip.msstate.edu>> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 01:54:49 +0600> Errors-To: deahl@uthscsa.edu> Reply-To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.edu> Originator: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.edu> Sender: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.edu> Precedence: bulk> From: pim van maurik > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas> Content-Type: text> Content-Length: 296> > At 23:30 20-09-96 +0600, you wrote:> >At 08:22 =BF=C0=C0=FC 96-09-20 +0600, you wrote:> >>Sorry about this,> >>that is if it get posted,> >>I haven't been able to post> >>anything to it-list.> >>> >>cheers,> >>naimi> >>> >>> >> >Dear Naimi:> >> >I received your email.> >> >Thanks.> >> >> > >   Martyn Drury>      >   > I too received U'r mailNirmala------------------------------Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:24:40 -0500 (CDT)From: DEAHL@uthscsa.eduTo: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: listowner's note: READ ME if you want a copy of your own messageMessage-ID: <01I9TQXUUA4Y000ERJ@uthscsa.edu>Several subscribers have expressed concern that they do not receivea copy of their own posting to the list.  This reflects the fact thatour server can either send you a copy (ACKnowledgement) or not (NOACKnowledgement) of your own posting.  To be sure that you DOreceive a copy of your own posting, please send the command   set it-list mail ackin the body of email addressed to   listproc@sparky.uthscsa.eduNote that this command must be sent to listproc@sparky.uthscsa.edu,which is NOT the distribution address for this list.  So, sending yourcommand in a reply to this note won't do.If you want to know what other neat commands are available to you asa subscriber to this list, send the command   helpin the body of email addressed to   listproc@sparky.uthscsa.eduTom Deahl------------------------------Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:35:40 +0000From: "Tony Collins" To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: DT3155 problem!Message-ID: <21F70C173E0@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>Yep, sounds familiar. I can capture loads of single images. If I ask for frame average in the DTOL configure or multi image acquisition, thats when IT falls over. Do you have trouble with a FIFO overflow with the DT application Passave as well? What version of DTOL Win95 SDK do you have? I have version beta 1.Tony CollinsICMBUniversity of Edinburgh> Hi everyone,> > I appologize for the test message, I sent before.> > I still have the problem with the software crashing after 4 captured images> from the camera. However, I was testing the settings to see if it makes any> difference or not?> > I found out that under DTOL configure, when I click on> 1. Active Area> 2. Frame Size> Although every option is disabled upon pressing OK or APPLY buttons, IT> crashes.> > I haven't actually changed anything, but IT crashes?> > Has anyone had similar problems? or can direct me to a solution?> > Thanks in advance for any inputs,> R.Naimi> ------------------------------End of IT-LIST Digest 48