IT-LIST Digest 3Topics covered in this issue include:  1) RE: density scans	by "Donald Siwek, Ph.D."   2) IT-LIST archive now available	by DEAHL@uthscsa.edu  3) Zip files?	by "_ _ _ _ _ MARK W. LUND _ _ _ _ _"   4) New ImageTool Release	by "S. Brent Dove"   5) Re: Zip files?	by "S. Brent Dove"   6) Re: Zip files?	by jeriksen@teleport.com (Jeff Eriksen)  7) source  manager	by "_ _ _ _ _ MARK W. LUND _ _ _ _ _"   8) Image Tool 1.1--Edge detection?	by ateneick@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Robert E. Ten Eick, Ph.D.)  9) Importing Files	by Robert Apodaca  10) Re: Importing Files	by "S. Brent Dove"  11) IT Errors	by ult@ornl.gov (M. William Moyer) 12) IT Errors	by ult@ornl.gov (M. William Moyer) 13) points undo command	by claudio canevari ----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:15:07 +0000From: "Donald Siwek, Ph.D." To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: RE: density scansMessage-ID: <199512191932.OAA62094@acs-mail.bu.edu>Check the I-net.  There are zillions of graphics utilities that will convert files to different color depths.  A good commercial program is Pizzaz Plus, Application Techniques, Peperell, MAgood luck------------------------------Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:36:40 -0500 (CDT)From: DEAHL@uthscsa.eduTo: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: IT-LIST archive now availableMessage-ID: <01HZ2FUHCWAQ001AUL@uthscsa.edu>Hi,A transcript of IT-LIST postings is now available athttp://ddsdx.uthscsa.edu/dig/IT-LIST-ARCHIVE/it-list.htmlCurrently the server is archiving a digest of list postings approximatelyevery 3 weeks.  A table of contents appears at the top of eacharchived file.  Given current list traffic, every-three-weeks seems toresult in a manageable file size.Take a look and let me know, on or off the list, if you have suggestions.We can make a FAQ part of this page if that would be useful.Tom Deahldeahl@uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 11:02 MSTFrom: "_ _ _ _ _ MARK W. LUND _ _ _ _ _" To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Zip files?Message-ID: <0A1471F920E017BA@PHYSC2.BYU.EDU>I wonder if you would consider putting zip files of IT on yoursite.  My file transfer capabilities are limited to about 500kBytesdue to limited clout.  I have to go beg which is not only humiliatingbut takes a couple of days.best regardsmark------------------------------Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 13:48:54 -0500 (CDT)From: "S. Brent Dove" To: IT List Subject: New ImageTool ReleaseMessage-ID: <01HZAYME13JM0037LP@uthscsa.edu>Hello ImageTool Users,First we would like to thank all of you for your patience and suggestions for improving ImageTool.  The reception for a image analysis and processing package for Microsoft Windows has been great. We have distributed over 1,000 copies world wide to major research institution since our initial release on August 24, 1995.Extra! Extra!  ImageTool NEW RELEASE Verion 1.1Version 1.1 of ImageTool is presently available from our ftp site  ftp://maxrad6.uthscsa.edu The new version includes all bugs reported as of 12/22/95 and some really nice features.  We have developed a complete object analysis and classification plug-in.  This plug-in provides for automated object counting and analysis with over 20 unique measurements.  These include: area, perimeter, x, y center, feret diameter, roundness, compactness, major/minor axis length, slope and endpoints.  Also included are integrated density, binary and gray centroid.  Using Objects Classification, objects can be categorized into sub groups based on any of the above object measurements.Also new in version 1.1 is support for the Data Translation DT3155 High-Accuracy Monochrome PCI Bus Frame Grabber.  The driver that is shipping presently supports Windows NT and not Windows 95. Data Translation will release the Win95 driver for this acquisition board in February 1996.We hope that this new version will help many of you do your research.  Please keep those suggestions of new features and any bug reports coming.  Also please send information about how you are using ImageTool in your research and what features you would like to see in the next release.  We hope to have a new release sometime in February.Thank you again for your support.S. Brent DoveDiagnostic SciencesUniversity of TexasHealth Science CenterSan Antonio, TX    USAVoice: (210) 567-3333Fax:   (210) 567-3334Email: dove@uthscsa.eduWeb:   ddxds.uthscsa.eduftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 14:04:29 -0500 (CDT)From: "S. Brent Dove" To: IT List Subject: Re: Zip files?Message-ID: <01HZAZ5PUNVM003A6Z@uthscsa.edu>All files have been included in the zip file format with the exception of several small ASCII text files which do not warrant compression.  The main two files IT.ZIP and DLL.ZIP are relatively large.  This may be a problem for downloading over conventional telephone lines.  If this continues to be a problem we will try to provide a work around.S. Brent DoveDiagnostic SciencesUniversity of TexasHealth Science CenterSan Antonio, TX    USAVoice: (210) 567-3333Fax:   (210) 567-3334Email: dove@uthscsa.eduWeb:   ddxds.uthscsa.eduftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:10:56 -0800From: jeriksen@teleport.com (Jeff Eriksen)To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Zip files?Message-ID: <199601040510.VAA25699@desiree.teleport.com>>I wonder if you would consider putting zip files of IT on your>site.  My file transfer capabilities are limited to about 500kBytes>due to limited clout.  I have to go beg which is not only humiliating>but takes a couple of days.>best regards>markMark:  If this was addressed to me personally, I cannot help you.  Isubscribev to a local InterNet service provider for Oregon and Washington,called Teleport.  Try asking them at support.teleport.com, or maybe info....Good luck.please note changes in phone numbers belowJeff Eriksen                             *   K. Jeffrey Eriksen, Ph.D.Scientific Systems Engineer              *   ScientistEEG Dept, T340                           *   Principal InvestigatorLegacy Good Samaritan Hospital           *   Electrical Geodesics1015 NW 22nd Ave                         *   1811 Garden Ave, Suite 104Portland, OR 97210                       *   Eugene, OR  97401(503) 413-7886 voice, 237-5568 pager     +   (541) 687-7962 voice(503) 413-6272 fax                       +   (541) 687-7963 faxJEriksen@teleport.com                    *   JEriksen@egi.com;http://www.egi.com/~egi/------------------------------Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:37 MSTFrom: "_ _ _ _ _ MARK W. LUND _ _ _ _ _" To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: source  managerMessage-ID: <4B75F2C740C00071@PHYSC2.BYU.EDU>The IT documentation talks about "source manager" being necessaryto do TWAIN control.  Where can i get it/to do TWAIN control.  Where can i get it?best regardsmark------------------------------Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 11:51:37 -0600From: ateneick@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Robert E. Ten Eick, Ph.D.)To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Image Tool 1.1--Edge detection?Message-ID: <199601081752.AA281373521@merle.acns.nwu.edu>Two quick comments/requests:1)  Congratulations on creating an excellent image analysis program!  Ofparticular help to us has been its support for Windows 95 & NT, and now theadditional support for the DT3155 frame grabber.2)  We were wondering if it would be possible to consider addingedge-detection as a means of defining an object (as opposed to the currentmethod of using a grayscale "threshold" value).  The cell images that weanalyze in our laboratory (cardiac ventricular myocytes) are not amenable tograyscale threshold definition because numerous pixels within the cellboundaries have the same grayscale values as background pixels outside thecell boundaries.  Hence, the grayscale histogram fails to display twodiscrete peaks that can be resolved by threshold definition.  (I can sendyou a sample TIF file, if you give me an e-mail address that will accept a~300KB posting, so you can see this for yourself.)  However, edge detectionwould probably do a reasonably good job of being able to define most of thecell perimeter (might need some user input at various "ambiguous" pointsaround the cell periphery).  I'd be willing to bet that many otherresearchers could also benefit from the added functionality that an edgedectection module would confer.Thank you again for your work in this area.  Please contact me if you haveany more questions or comments!Robert (Bob) E. Ten Eick, Ph.D.                                                                 (Ten Eick's the name, wind surfin' sthe game.)Professor, Dept. of MPBC, NUMS, Northwestern University303 East Chicago Avenue, Chicago, IL 60611Phone: 312-503-8286         (Call after noon & before 7 pm, c.t., except ondays when                      the wind blows SE @ 15-25  knots on southernLake Michigan.)FAX:    312-503-5349                          ------------------------------Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:38:13 -0600From: Robert Apodaca To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Importing FilesMessage-ID: <199601090138.TAA01676@mgr.dynetics.com>This announcement is for the Image Tool announcement forum:I am looking for a file filter for Image Tool that is like the one for NIHImage (i.e. one that can handle custom widths, heights, Bits per pixel,header length, How many bits to skip before reading in data, Byte swapping,16 bit signed or unsigned).  Has anyone created one or modified"BINFLTR.cpp" to accomodate these requirements?You help is greatly appreciated.*****************************************************************Robert Apodaca                               Dynetics, Inc.Systems Engineer                             1051 Enterprise WaySystems Analysis & Engineering Dept.         Huntsville, AL(205) 922-9230, x293                               35806-2800fax   922-9029                   ********************************                   * email:  apodaca@dynetics.com *                   ********************************------------------------------Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 08:25:22 -0500 (CDT)From: "S. Brent Dove" To: IT List Subject: Re: Importing FilesMessage-ID: <01HZST3PQHO20082LG@uthscsa.edu>Hello IT users,ImageTool supports file filters that can be written as a dynamic link library.  Such a file filter is located on the ftp server in the file filters directory.  This is designed as a binary filter, it provides for the width, heigth, and header of the images.  IT only supports 8 bit grey, 8 and 24 bit color images.  We are presently finishing work on supporting all gray level images from 1 to 24 bits in depth.  This will allow a file filter for 16 bit gray scale images.  Therefore a new binary filter will be written that will support 16 bit signed or unsigned, byte swapping etc.  "like NIH Image" probably the finest image processing software ever written. We hope to have this finished within a month or so.. Keep looking for updates. So long for now.S. Brent Dove                            Voice: (210) 567-3333Diagnostic Sciences                      Fax:   (210) 567-3334University of Texas                      Email: dove@uthscsa.eduHealth Science Center                    Web:   ddxds.uthscsa.eduSan Antonio, TX    USA                   ftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:24:10 -0500 (EST)From: ult@ornl.gov (M. William Moyer)To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: IT ErrorsMessage-ID: <199601092024.PAA06268@cosmail3.ctd.ornl.gov>I have just downloaded IT ver 1.1 and installed it on drive D of a systemrunning W95.  I have been getting several errors.  Whenever I exit (whether a file is openor if I just start and quit the program) I get an error when I close IT.The error has the format:         IT caused an invalid page fault in module BIDS45F.DLL at                0137:00593d99Another more troubling error is occuring when I try to analyze an imagesimilar to the image (BLOBS.TIF) supplied with the program.  My image islarger (1150x890 pixels).  I count the objects satisfactorily but when I tryto do an Object Analysis the program crashes with the following message:        IT caused an exception 10H in module UTILIB31.DLL at                0137:006d345bOnce this error is cleared and the program quits I get the error:        IT caused an exception C0000026H in Module KERNEL32.DLL at                0137:bffb87c0The program seems to have many excellent features but these errors arefrustrating.Thanks for any helpBill Moyer        IT caused an exception C0000026H in module KERNEL32.DLLI have also been running the object ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*                               *| M. William Moyer                    *  E-Mail: ult@ornl.gov       *| Oak Ridge Y-12 Plant                 *  Mail Name: MOYERM        *| Lockheed Marietta Energy Systems      *  Phone: (423) 574-0887  *| Instrumentation & Characterization Dept*  FAX: (423) 576-2782  *| Nondestructive Analysis Group           *                     *| Bldg 9203, Rm 105, MS 8084, PO Box 2009  *                   *| Oak Ridge, Tennessee 37831-8084           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------------------------Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:51:49 -0500 (EST)From: ult@ornl.gov (M. William Moyer)To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: IT ErrorsMessage-ID: <199601092051.PAA07464@cosmail3.ctd.ornl.gov>I have just downloaded IT ver 1.1 and installed it on drive D: of a systemrunning W95.  I have been getting several errors.  Whenever I exit (whether a file is open or if I just start and quit theprogram) I get an error when I close IT.  The error has the format:         IT caused an invalid page fault in module BIDS45F.DLL at                0137:00593d99Another more troubling error is occuring when I try to analyze an imagesimilar to the image (BLOBS.TIF) supplied with the program.  My image islarger (1150x890 pixels).  I count the objects satisfactorily but when I tryto do an Object Analysis the program crashes with the following message:        IT caused an exception 10H in module UTILIB31.DLL at                0137:006d345bOnce this error is cleared and the program quits I get the error:        IT caused an exception C0000026H in Module KERNEL32.DLL at                0137:bffb87c0The program seems to have many excellent features but these errors arefrustrating.Thanks for any helpBill Moyer~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*                               *| M. William Moyer                    *  E-Mail: ult@ornl.gov       *| Oak Ridge Y-12 Plant                 *  Mail Name: MOYERM        *| Lockheed Marietta Energy Systems      *  Phone: (423) 574-0887  *| Instrumentation & Characterization Dept*  FAX: (423) 576-2782  *| Nondestructive Analysis Group           *                     *| Bldg 9203, Rm 105, MS 8084, PO Box 2009  *                   *| Oak Ridge, Tennessee 37831-8084           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------------------------Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 21:00:47 +0100From: claudio canevari To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: points undo commandMessage-ID: <30F2C96F.4B12@venus.it>I am technician and teacher of restoration diagnostics, and I am trying to use IT to process and analyse RX, UV fluorescence and photo images of objects of art under restoration, particulary historical musical instruments.IT software is a powerful tool for my purposes; I have two features to suggest for the next release:-to improve the Points and Count and Tag commands, a simple undo command to remove wrong points using the pointer and, for example, the right mouse key, to avoid redoing all from the beginning if only few point selections are wrong-a greater reduction ratio of the Zoom out and a window zooming command, to see entire images and choose quickly limited areas even with high scanning resolutions. Thanks in advance for the help and congratulations to UTHSCSA staff for the software!				Claudio Canevari			    Civica Scuola di Liuteria			Via Noto,4 I-20141 MILANO(ITALY) 					claudio@venus.it------------------------------End of IT-LIST Digest 3***********************