IT-LIST Digest 29Topics covered in this issue include:  1) Re: unzip source	by Robert Smith   2) ITSDK Source Code	by "S. Brent Dove"   3) A request to IT administrators	by Ron DeSpain   4) Re: A request to IT administrators	by davenport issac   5) Re: unzip source (fwd)	by davenport issac   6) RE: Increasing size/resolution	by Don Wilcox   7) RE: Beginner question - densitometry	by Don Wilcox   8) Re: A request to IT administrators	by Ron DeSpain   9) Request to IT Administrators	by Ron DeSpain  10) itsdk.zip	by James Zheng  11) ImageTool Developers	by "S. Brent Dove"  12) Re: ImageTool Developers	by davenport issac ----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 12:37:14 -0400From: Robert Smith To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: unzip sourceMessage-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960703163714.006924c8@curtech.com>Patrick:At 01:55 AM 7/3/96 +0600, you wrote:>>2) is there an example of plug in and how  i can integrate oneYes, Download ITSDK.zip from the FTP site and you will find documentationand some "empty" plugins for you to insert your code into.  Good LuckBob             .  Robert A. Smith, Ph.D.  _____    .    Vision Systems' Analyst |     |<.      Current Technology, Inc. |_____|   .    (603) 868-2270     ^       .  ras@curtech.com    / \   /   \------------------------------Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 13:01:10 -0500 (CDT)From: "S. Brent Dove" To: IT List Subject: ITSDK Source CodeMessage-ID: <01I6MY1IEVSU009A4G@uthscsa.edu>Hello ImageTool Users,Recently on the ITLIST several people have had problems downloading and unzipping the ITSDK.ZIP file.  First of all most of this difficulty stems from the fact that most people download to a operating system that does not support long file names or use a version of pkunzip which does not support long file names.  The zip file has several files with long names.  This causes most version of pkunzip to report CRC error and many others. In order to address this problem we have provided the latest copy of WinZIP which is a shareware program which does support long file names.  It is a 32 bit application designed for Windows 95 or Windows NT.  In order to avoid problems you must be running either Windows 95 or Window NT and dowload the WinZIP file form our ftp site in the utilities subdirectory.  Please read all the documentation and if you plan to use the shareware software PAY FOR IT.Next download the ITSDK.ZIP and use WinZIP to unzip the file.  We have tested this method on 486's, Pentiums using 95 and NT.  Please, Please read all the text files that are included especially the one that tells you how to install the application.  If you still have problems please let us know.S. Brent Dove                            Voice: (210) 567-3333Diagnostic Sciences                      Fax:   (210) 567-3334University of Texas                      Email: dove@uthscsa.eduHealth Science Center                    Web:   ddsdx.uthscsa.eduSan Antonio, TX    USA                   ftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 13:40:23 -0700From: Ron DeSpain To: "IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.edu" Subject: A request to IT administratorsMessage-ID: <31DADAB7.79F5@ez2.net>I can't get IT to install.   Can you help?Thanks-- Ron DeSpain - Chief EngineerCostar Precision Optics & Video Products40925 County Center Dr., # 210Temecula, CA 92591909 699 9000------------------------------Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:59:34 -0600 (MDT)From: davenport issac To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: A request to IT administratorsMessage-ID: <199607032059.OAA05620@stripe.Colorado.EDU>We need some more info here, are you on win95 or NT?  Did you downloadthe IT.exe as well as DLL files?  What does the error message say.isaac.> > I can't get IT to install.   Can you help?> Thanks> -- > Ron DeSpain - Chief Engineer> Costar > Precision Optics & Video Products> 40925 County Center Dr., # 210> Temecula, CA 92591> 909 699 9000> ------------------------------Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:29:59 -0600 (MDT)From: davenport issac To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: unzip source (fwd)Message-ID: <199607040629.AAA04230@stripe.Colorado.EDU>We have been having continued trouble with this zipped SDK.  Here is myreply to patricks latest frusteration as he tried to unzip the version1.20 code to play with it.> > I downloaded the new winzip 6.1 from winzip's board.  It allowed me to> get all the files except for two .h files.  If forget the exact names but > both showed up with 0 content in the archive.  Just deselect those two> before you unzip.  The long names still didn't translate though, I will> have to go through (there are only a few) and decipher which are which.> They are the ones with the ~ signs in the name.  It is late here and I am > headed home.  Good luck> > > isaac.> > > > > > >good idea. thanks > > >  Not a good idea> indeed > i can't compile> > i have a lot of errorS> > > > first IDHELP is not define in the  progam  in setdlg. sure i include it with > > 666> > second an include  file is missing (something like prsht.h i don't remenber)> > some vale are'nt define (WM_NOTIFY ??? UN_DOWN ???)> > it insert // at  those lines> > > > yaouh !!! I can link (with many efforts due to UTLIB)> > and when i try to execute a DLL utilib.dll is missing> > arg !!!> > > > patrick> > > > ------------------------------Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:20:17 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: "'ImageTool List Server'" Subject: RE: Increasing size/resolutionMessage-ID: <01BB6A02.E3474C00@slip5.xroads.com>----------From:  Robert Smith[SMTP:ras@curtech.com]Sent:  Monday, July 01, 1996 10:37 PMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  Re: Increasing size/resolutionAt 09:09 AM 7/2/96 +0600, you wrote:>I am processing .TIF files using thresholding to yield an outline of an>image.  The problem is that the outline ends up containing about 90 pixels,>which is not enough resolution for a Fourier analysis to accurate capture>the shape.  A larger image, however, would yield more points and thus result>in a smoother, more accurate curve.  Is it possible to increase the size of>an image in ImageTool--not simply ZOOM on the image (which rescales everything>including the pixels) but actually ENLARGE it leaving the zoom scale the same?>This would have the same effect as taking the same picture but with increased>magnification and converting it into a .TIF file.   Thanks for any help!>>>Michael AbrahamMichael:  I fear you may be trying to find information which isn't there, in whichcase you're stuck!  On the other hand, there are some artifacts introducedby rendering a continuous image into discrete pixels, particularly whenyou're reducing 8 bits to 1 bit.  These CAN be reduced.  Try blowing up the image as described, and then smoothing it (perhaps witha median filter).  Do the minimum amount of filtering which works; you wantto lo-pass out the artifactual high frequencies at the edges, but not thereal ones.  This is a matter of trial-and-error.  Finally threshold andfourier xform.  You might also try smoothing after thresholding, but I wouldexpect the smoothing filter to work better at a stage when there's moreinformation available to it.There remains one problem,  IT does not allow you to save the zoomed image.  This could easily be done as a plug-in.Don------------------------------Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:43:28 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: "'ImageTool List Server'" Subject: RE: Beginner question - densitometryMessage-ID: <01BB6A03.192AC4A0@slip5.xroads.com>----------From:  Michael A. Ferenczi[SMTP:m-ferenc@nimr.mrc.ac.uk]Sent:  Tuesday, July 02, 1996 2:18 PMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  Beginner question - densitometryHello,I just started using image tool. The "line profile" provides a usefuldensitometry of a gel, but I would prefer using a 'thicker line' ora rectangle, and average the pixels to obtain a more representativedensitometry.  How can I do that ?No such feature currently exists.  Gel analysis is near the top of our =to do list, but there is only so much time and money available, and =there are only two of us on the team (and only one programmer).  If you =want, such features can be provided via plug-ins.  A developers kit is =available from the ftp site.Don------------------------------Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 09:22:57 -0700From: Ron DeSpain To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: A request to IT administratorsMessage-ID: <31DD4161.73FF@ez2.net>davenport issac wrote:> > We need some more info here, are you on win95 or NT?  Did you download> the IT.exe as well as DLL files?  What does the error message say.> > isaac.davenport issac wrote:> > We need some more info here, are you on win95 or NT?  Did you download> the IT.exe as well as DLL files?  What does the error message say.> > isaac.Thanks for responding, Issac     I have the program working now.   I had originaly downloaded IT on a Mac, unzipped it(to get it on a disk) and caried it in to work via floppy.   I guess the multi platform conversions just failed.  Once I got on the net with my PC clone and downloaded IT, everything is working fine.        I want to expand your program by adding camera and frame grabber control so that I will have a complete image processing software product to give the users of our RS232 cameras and frame grabbers (like Imaging Technology has already done).   Please let me know if there are any legal agreements I need to make with the University prior to providing this software to my users.Thanks-- Ron DeSpain - Chief EngineerCostar Precision Optics & Video Products40925 County Center Dr., # 210Temecula, CA 92591909 699 9000------------------------------Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 07:22:36 -0700From: Ron DeSpain To: "IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.edu" Subject: Request to IT AdministratorsMessage-ID: <31E119AC.5DF@ez2.net>Would it be possible for you to put us a link to ITPDK.ZIP on your home page next to the two modular downloads for IT1.23?   I don't have an anonymous FTP program to fetch it with, so I must download the sources via an internet browser.Thanks-- Ron DeSpain - Chief EngineerCostar Precision Optics & Video Products40925 County Center Dr., # 210Temecula, CA 92591909 699 9000------------------------------Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:34:38 -0400From: James Zheng To: "'it-list@sparky.uthscsa.edu'" Subject: itsdk.zipMessage-ID: <01BB6CC1.72BB8340@rwja.umdnj.edu.umdnj.edu>Hello everyone,I have tried many times to unzip itsdk.zip but failed on a couple of =header files.  The latest try was yesterday.   I was using WinZip 6.1 =for Windows 95 (unregistered version).  First of all, the long filename =was not showing up.  Second, there were a few .h files with ZERO bytes =in content and gave me CRC errors.  Guys, this thing has been going on =for quite long time.  Please fix it. =20I read a note back a while saying the unzipping problem was solved and =itsdk.zip was updated.  However, itsdk still dated in April.  Am I =missing another ftp site? =20Final question, where is the source code compatible with Borland C++ 5.0 =?  Is it out yet?James------------------------------Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 12:01:18 -0500 (CDT)From: "S. Brent Dove" To: IT List Subject: ImageTool DevelopersMessage-ID: <01I6TVE148T4009Y10@uthscsa.edu>Hello ImageTool Users,We have noticed some problems associated with users who are trying to develop plugins for UTHSCSA ImageTool.  To improve developer relations we are creating a database of developers and maillist to assist them.We hope to create a web page at our site for developers with current information, FAQs and other goodies.  Please send your name, email address along with a description of the plugin you are plannning to develop to this listserver.  We will get in touch with you as soon as it is possible.Once we have a group of developers we will try and coordinate users who have special needs for additions to ImageTool and developers who can provide the necessary programming support. S. Brent Dove                            Voice: (210) 567-3333Diagnostic Sciences                      Fax:   (210) 567-3334University of Texas                      Email: dove@uthscsa.eduHealth Science Center                    Web:   ddsdx.uthscsa.eduSan Antonio, TX    USA                   ftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:50:46 -0600 (MDT)From: davenport issac To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: ImageTool DevelopersMessage-ID: <199607081850.MAA21753@stripe.Colorado.EDU>Name:		Isaac DavenportEmail:		davenpoi@colorado.eduPlug In:	Pupilary Response Measuring toolImage tool can already extract the pupil diameter from the Tiff's I havecollected.  Ideally I would like to ba able to, from IT win95, acquire aseries of frames onto the stack at 30 fps, run and extraction of the pupildiamter from each frame and save the data.  I would also like to use oneof the digital outputs on the DT3155 to turn on a light to start the pupildialating.Once I get that much there a re other types of pupil responses I wouldlike to get into, noise, oscilations etc.isaac.  > > Hello ImageTool Users, > > We have noticed some problems associated with users who are trying to > develop plugins for UTHSCSA ImageTool.  To improve developer relations we > are creating a database of developers and maillist to assist them.> > We hope to create a web page at our site for developers with current > information, FAQs and other goodies.  Please send your name, email > address along with a description of the plugin you are plannning to > develop to this listserver.  We will get in touch with you as soon as it > is possible.> > Once we have a group of developers we will try and coordinate users who > have special needs for additions to ImageTool and developers who can > provide the necessary programming support.>  > > S. Brent Dove                            Voice: (210) 567-3333> Diagnostic Sciences                      Fax:   (210) 567-3334> University of Texas                      Email: dove@uthscsa.edu> Health Science Center                    Web:   ddsdx.uthscsa.edu> San Antonio, TX    USA                   ftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu> ------------------------------End of IT-LIST Digest 29