IT-LIST Digest 14Topics covered in this issue include:  1) RE: Show outline in Find Objects Preferences	by Don Wilcox   2) RE: ImageTool Version 1.2	by Don Wilcox   3) RE: IT thanks and Qn's	by Jonathan Harrington   4) RE: Show outline in Find Objects Preferences	by Juha Saharinen   5) RE: Problems unzipping idsdk.zip	by "Phillips, John (IMS) (*)"   6) Re: Problems unzipping idsdk.zip	by Hal Hawkins   7) new source zip files work!	by "Michael Moed"   8) ImageTool SDK	by "S. Brent Dove"   9) stacks-textual format	by "Laury Chaerle"  10) RE: stacks-textual format	by Don Wilcox ----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:30:38 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: 'ImageTool List Server' Subject: RE: Show outline in Find Objects PreferencesMessage-ID: <01BB0C36.ACA0B080@slip29.xroads.com>----------From:  Isabelle Paris[SMTP:isabelle@blacktusk.composites.mmat.ubc.ca]Sent:  Monday, March 04, 1996 2:26 AMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  Show outline in Find Objects PreferencesThank you for a very useful program: I use the Find Objects Commandextensively. I was delighted to find the "Manually select objects" =option inversion 1.20, but I was disappointed that the "show outline image in newwindow" option was not in the Find Object Preferences window, contrary =towhat the manual indicates (p.26). Is there a way to get the outline =image?I removed the feature in version 1.2 because we received a fair amount =of mail from users who were confused by it, thinking that the new image =had the objects.  If you really find the information in the image =necessary, it could be put back in.  As an alternative, you could =download the source code, in the file objects.cpp, the macro =ShowOutlineImage, if defined, will cause the image to be shown again.  =Otherwise, I am more comfortable leaving the feature out.Don------------------------------Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:35:50 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: 'ImageTool List Server' Subject: RE: ImageTool Version 1.2Message-ID: <01BB0C36.C03CD4C0@slip29.xroads.com>----------From:  Peter Stalmans[SMTP:Peter.Stalmans@med.kuleuven.ac.be]Sent:  Sunday, March 03, 1996 4:22 PMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  ImageTool Version 1.2This weekend I've installed version 1.2 on our computer system (Win95), =andI'm impressed with all new features in the newest release. The binary =importfilter is much improved, and the easy interaction with the result =windows isan enormous improvement.Congratulation to all contributors!I have one remark though: when I quit ImageTool, I always get an errormessage as follows: This program  has caused an illegal operation and =willbe shut down. (I've enclosed details as an attachment).This seems not to be machine-dependent, since it appeared both on a 486 =andPentium machine.I also have two suggestions for further development:1) Regarding the import filter: most imaging systems I'm aware of that =usetheir own binary file format, use a header in the file (that can be =skippedusing the current import filter) where the exact width and height of thepicture are stored (usually in 2-byte format, sometimes byte-swapped).Usually, the header also contains a byte that specifies the number ofpictures in the file, as well as the bits-per color.If the import filter could be manually instructed to read these bytes =anduse them accordingly, importing binary image would even more simple.The next version of ImageTool will have an improved import dialog, =organized as a wizard, and should have exactly the features you request.2) Regarding the area and line drawing: it would be interesting if the =areaor line-of-interest could be saved, and re-loaded. This could have =followinguse: in microscopy, data are often compared before and after a certainevent, so a series of images is obtained.Interesting idea.  I may provide such a feature.  At least, I will add =it to the wish list (note that almost anything that makes it to the =wish-list gets done, since Brent and I are in complete control of the =feature set).Don------------------------------Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 12:28:41 +0000From: Jonathan Harrington To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: RE: IT thanks and Qn'sMessage-ID: <01I23GTM1YVSRI50OL@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>> 1. has an FFT plug-in been written=20> It is on the to-do list, currently in the "being designed in my> head" = state.  On this subject, if such a feature existed, how> exactly would = you use it?  This is your big chance to influence> the design if IT.I'm not sure of exactly what you're asking. Ideally an arbitrarydimensioned image would be transformed (padding or Winograd; I'm no FFTexpert), another window opened and the FFT results displayed on thesame grid using brightness for the magnitude and color for the phase.This FFT image could then be edited (cropped/masked...) in a flexible manner then the inverse transform made yielding the processed image.Sounds easy huh ;-)Jonathan Harrington,                     Department of Mechanical Engineering,   University of Canterbury,                New Zealand                              j.harrington@csc.canterbury.ac.nz+64 3 359 7401------------------------------Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:03:34 +-200From: Juha Saharinen To: "'it-list@sparky.uthscsa.edu'" Subject: RE: Show outline in Find Objects PreferencesMessage-ID: <01BB0CD6.83F00320@virus38.pc.Helsinki.FI>------ =_NextPart_000_01BB0CD6.83F00320Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableOn 7. maaliskuuta 1996 12:12, Don Wilcox[SMTP:wilcox@xroads.com] wrote:>>>---------->From:  Isabelle Paris[SMTP:isabelle@blacktusk.composites.mmat.ubc.ca]>Sent:  Monday, March 04, 1996 2:26 AM>To:  wilcox@xroads.com>Subject:  Show outline in Find Objects Preferences>>Thank you for a very useful program: I use the Find Objects Command>extensively. I was delighted to find the "Manually select objects" =3D>option in>version 1.20, but I was disappointed that the "show outline image in =new>window" option was not in the Find Object Preferences window, contrary ==3D>to>what the manual indicates (p.26). Is there a way to get the outline =3D>image?>I removed the feature in version 1.2 because we received a fair amount ==3D>of mail from users who were confused by it, thinking that the new image ==3D>had the objects.  If you really find the information in the image =3D>necessary, it could be put back in.  As an alternative, you could =3D>download the source code, in the file objects.cpp, the macro =3D>ShowOutlineImage, if defined, will cause the image to be shown again.  ==3D>Otherwise, I am more comfortable leaving the feature out.>>DonI'd also like to thank you for this great imaging program!How about showing the outlines of objects in the same window (like in =earlier version with thin, red, dotted line, but in the same windows =where the actual image is. The object number would then be located =inside this "bordered" object. Because I find it sometimes a bit obscure =to detect which parts of an image belong to which object, this would be =of great help).I'd like to suggest also that you could make  new elliptical and box =area tools. Using those you could draw an ellipse / circle or a box and =get the object data inside that region. One should also be able to copy =that drawn area to apply in a new part of the image. 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When I unzip the archive, I get a zip error that occurs on     file piprop~1.h.  It prohibits me from extracting this file, or any     subsequent files.  I've tried downloading to two different sites (home     and office), and get the same error.     Please help!     - Mike------------------------------Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:26:07 -0500 (CDT)From: Hal Hawkins To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Re: Problems unzipping idsdk.zipMessage-ID: <01I27PO2LQEA00HHFM@BEACH.UTMB.EDU>I found that the files were corrupted when I downloaded them usingServeFTP, which is part of LAN Workplace, but that they were receivedletter-perfect when I downloaded them using WS_FTP32.  hal@utmb.edu------------------------------Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 08:46:38 EDTFrom: "Michael Moed" To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: new source zip files work!Message-ID: <9602128266.AA826649269@winhitc.atlantaga.attgis.com>          Thanks for everyone's responses to my unzip problem.          I've tested the newly placed itsdk.zip and it unzips without a hitch!          Thanks again!          - Mike------------------------------Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:04:22 -0600 (CST)From: "S. Brent Dove" To: IT List Subject: ImageTool SDKMessage-ID: <01I28UTVIM1O00BQUL@uthscsa.edu>Hello IT Users,We have found that the ITSDK.ZIP file that has been on the ftp server is corrupted.  Several of you may have downloaded it and had problems unzipping the file.I am sorry for any inconvenience.  We have placed a new copy of ITSDK.ZIP on the server last night.  We have tested the file with the DOS pkunzip as well as the WinZIP program.If you are interested in developing plugins for ImageTool please dowload the new SDK.ThanksS. Brent Dove                            Voice: (210) 567-3333Diagnostic Sciences                      Fax:   (210) 567-3334University of Texas                      Email: dove@uthscsa.eduHealth Science Center                    Web:   ddsdx.uthscsa.eduSan Antonio, TX    USA                   ftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 9:34:11 METFrom: "Laury Chaerle" To: Subject: stacks-textual formatMessage-ID: 1. From the help-text:"The file format uses the extension .its, and comes in two forms: binary and textual.... The stack file format is also available in a textual form, in which the images in the stack are not directly stored, rather, references to the files containing the images are placed into the stack file.  This makes it possible to quickly create a stack using a text editor, or to build a stack from images without duplicating the storage of the image data."Since I cannot find an option to save in textual format, can someone help me with the specs of this textual format (extension .its or .stk?) or the method to follow? 2. How can I change the default palette of IT?Best Regards,Laury ChaerleLab of Genetics, University of Gent, Belgium------------------------------Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:47:38 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: 'ImageTool List Server' Subject: RE: stacks-textual formatMessage-ID: <01BB14D9.F9D894C0@slip35.xroads.com>From:  Laury Chaerle[SMTP:lacha@genwet1.rug.ac.be]Sent:  Sunday, March 17, 1996 1:22 PMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  stacks-textual format1. From the help-text:"The file format uses the extension .its, and comes in two forms: binary =and=20textual.... The stack file format is also available in a textual form, =in=20which the images in the stack are not directly stored, rather, =references to=20the files containing the images are placed into the stack file.  This =makes=20it possible to quickly create a stack using a text editor, or to build a =stack from images without duplicating the storage of the image data."There is no mechanism for saving stacks from ImageTool in the textual =format.  ImageTool does not retain the information about individual =files that would be necessary to provide this feature.  Textual stacks =must be created using a text editor such as Notepad.  The absence of =documentation on the format is an oversight that I will correct.  For =now, here is the format of these files:The file must begin with the four characters "_Txt" on a line by =themselves.  Note that the case is significant.  This serves as a flag =for IT to detect a stack-format file.  The next line should contain the =string "Files", here case is not significant.  Following the "Files" =line come the names of the individual files, one file-per-line.  An =example:_TxtFilesc:\images\my stack1.tifc:\images\my stack2.tifc:\images\my stack3.tifc:\images\my stack4.tifc:\images\my stack5.tifc:\images\my stack6.tifNote that the images must all be the same size and bit depth, but not =necessarily the same file format.2. How can I change the default palette of IT?If you mean at startup, there is no mechanism for doing this.  You can =easily change the color table for an image by using the Process | =Palette command (also available from the toolbar).Thank you for your interest in ImageTool.Don------------------------------End of IT-LIST Digest 14