IT-LIST Digest 13Topics covered in this issue include:  1) Pb subscribing	by Isabelle Paris   2) Show outline in Find Objects Preferences	by Isabelle Paris   3) IT 1.2	by Hal Hawkins   4) Snappy no longer compatible?	by bell@upanet.uleth.ca (Craig Bell)  5) Greylevel position/values	by Derrick Flannigan   6) output to Excel	by Hal Hawkins   7) info in IT FAQ 	by cskchen   8) IT thanks and Qn's	by Jonathan Harrington   9) 	by "S. Brent Dove"  10) RE: IT thanks and Qn's	by Don Wilcox  11) RE: info in IT FAQ 	by Don Wilcox  12) RE: Greylevel position/values	by Don Wilcox  13) RE: what is cif	by Don Wilcox  14) RE: IT 1.2	by Don Wilcox ----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:16:02 -0800From: Isabelle Paris To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Pb subscribingMessage-ID: <2.2.16.19960304134236.223f882e@composites.mmat.ubc.ca>I just want to let you know that I had difficulty subscribing to IT-LIST:the manual (p.2 in version 1.20) indicates to put "subscribe it-list " in the subject line, instead of the e-mail body. ________________________________________________________________|                                                                ||	  Isabelle Paris					 ||         Composites Group                                       ||         The University of British Columbia                     ||         Department of Metals and Materials Engineering         ||________________________________________________________________|------------------------------Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:27:55 -0800From: Isabelle Paris To: IT-LIST@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Show outline in Find Objects PreferencesMessage-ID: <2.2.16.19960304135400.2c8f5960@composites.mmat.ubc.ca>Thank you for a very useful program: I use the Find Objects Commandextensively. I was delighted to find the "Manually select objects" option inversion 1.20, but I was disappointed that the "show outline image in newwindow" option was not in the Find Object Preferences window, contrary towhat the manual indicates (p.26). Is there a way to get the outline image?Isabelle ParisComposites GroupThe University of British ColumbiaDepartment of Metals and Materials------------------------------Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 15:43:00 -0500 (CDT)From: Hal Hawkins To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: IT 1.2Message-ID: <01I1Y2FD3NTI00EN9B@BEACH.UTMB.EDU>I was also very favorably impressed with ImageTool v. 1.2 and congratulatethe authors.  I also had the problem with closing the program in Windows 95,and had the same problem with my FTP program.  For now I'm keeping themminimized.  My question is:  is it possible to output data into a bona fidespreadsheet such as Excel?  I also tried the macro to separate a colorimage into its 3 component colors.  It worked great, but I found I still could not measure densities along a line, and I couldn't convert the 8-bit color image into greyscale since that macro requires 16-bit files.Thanks -- Hal Hawkins, hal@utmb.edu------------------------------Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 00:12:27 -0700From: bell@upanet.uleth.ca (Craig Bell)To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: Snappy no longer compatible?Message-ID: <9603050706.AA07999@sparky.uthscsa.edu>I just noticed that my Snappy video grabber will not work with ImageToolanymore.  Version 1.1 could acquire by using the Snappy but now version 1.2won't.  ImageTool now freezes up as soon as a Snappy capture has finishedprocessing.  What's up?  I bought a Snappy shortly after hearing that itworked with Image Tool.  I really hope this was not intentionally done (infavor of using Data Translation's stuff).  If anyone can fill me in on whatis happening I would greatly appreciate it.  Thank You!---Craig Bell            e-mail: BELL@upanet.uleth.caPublic Access InternetThe University of Lethbridge------------------------------Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:01:26 -0500 (EST)From: Derrick Flannigan To: ImageTools Questons Subject: Greylevel position/valuesMessage-ID: Hello,  First I would like to compliment you on a great piece of software.  I have been using IT since it was released and I am very impressed.  I have a question I hope you can answer.  I would like to export not only the grey-level values of my images  but the position of each also.The read out at the bottom left of the screen is exactly what I need in a .txt, ASC, or spreadsheet file.  I was hoping a plug-in had been written to do this ?==============================================================================Derrick Flannigan                Electron Microscopists are beautiful peopleLife Sciences E.M. Unit		  	   * Especially up close *McMaster UniversityHamilton, On.  CANADAFAX# (905)522-6066------------------------------Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 12:53:21 -0500 (CDT)From: Hal Hawkins To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: output to ExcelMessage-ID: <01I1ZASE666400D4G1@BEACH.UTMB.EDU>After reading the rest of yesterday's mail I tried exporting data fromIT to an Excel spreadsheet using copy and paste.  It worked!!Congratulations again.  I can now do everything with IT that I used todo using Optimas, I think, and have the added bonus of being able to write macros.  Many thanks!hal@utmb.edu------------------------------Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:34:07 +0800 (CST)From: cskchen To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: info in IT FAQ Message-ID: Dear colleagues,Is the info reagarding TWAIN support and IT source code in the IT FAQ current? I haven't been able to acquire these support according to answers to these FAQ's. Please help. Thanks in advance!Sincerely,Ssu-Kuang ChenDiv. of Oral RadiologySchool of DentistryNational Taiwan University Hospital    Tel:(02)3123456 - 7394Taipei, Taiwan                         Fax:(02)3831346 ------------------------------Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 15:54:12 +0000From: Jonathan Harrington To: it-list@sparky.uthscsa.eduSubject: IT thanks and Qn'sMessage-ID: <01I229PLG7XARI4YV6@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>Firstly I must say that I'm really pleased to have found IT, I can now retire my pathetic attempts at building a IA app, and concentrate on the algorithmic stuff which interests me. A big thanks to all involved.Some questions:1. has an FFT plug-in been written 2. are there more detailed doc's for the Obj Anal plug-in (note thatI havn't been successful in dlding the source without error yet :-(.What I'm most interested in is the proc for determining area andperimeter. Jonathan Harrington,                     Department of Mechanical Engineering,   University of Canterbury,                New Zealand                              j.harrington@csc.canterbury.ac.nz+64 3 359 7401------------------------------Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 12:05:12 -0600 (CST)From: "S. Brent Dove" To: IT List Message-ID: <01I221OCLUOC00AJR5@uthscsa.edu>Hello IT Users,I have gotten some information that accessing our ftp site using Netscape sometime results in empty directories or no files at all.  This is apparently a bug with Netscape and some other browers.I suggest that you get a true ftp client such as WS_FTP to directly access the server.  I have not had any problems with any specific ftp client.Also help is on the way,  the people at the HENSA software archive have agreed to mirror our site.  We are trying to also get the people at Sunset archive to also assist us.  Thank you again for your support.S. Brent Dove                            Voice: (210) 567-3333Diagnostic Sciences                      Fax:   (210) 567-3334University of Texas                      Email: dove@uthscsa.eduHealth Science Center                    Web:   ddsdx.uthscsa.eduSan Antonio, TX    USA                   ftp:   maxrad6.uthscsa.edu------------------------------Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:55:23 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: 'ImageTool List Server' Subject: RE: IT thanks and Qn'sMessage-ID: <01BB0C36.37AEF200@slip29.xroads.com>----------From:  Jonathan Harrington[SMTP:j.harrington@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz]Sent:  Wednesday, March 06, 1996 7:53 AMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  IT thanks and Qn'sFirstly I must say that I'm really pleased to have found IT, I can=20now retire my pathetic attempts at building a IA app, and concentrate=20on the algorithmic stuff which interests me. A big thanks to all=20involved.Thanks.Some questions:1. has an FFT plug-in been written=20It is on the to-do list, currently in the "being designed in my head" =state.  On this subject, if such a feature existed, how exactly would =you use it?  This is your big chance to influence the design if IT.2. are there more detailed doc's for the Obj Anal plug-in (note thatI havn't been successful in dlding the source without error yet :-(.What I'm most interested in is the proc for determining area andperimeter.=20Outside of the docs and the SDK help file (in the source zip), there are =no docs.  I have put the source code for the line and polygon classes =into the SDK file this time, and the algorithms are there.  On the =subject of the source zip being bad, I have been offline for a couple of =days, but I will be placing a new copy on the server either late today =or first thing tomorrow.Don------------------------------Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:57:06 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: 'ImageTool List Server' Subject: RE: info in IT FAQ Message-ID: <01BB0C36.47DC2E40@slip29.xroads.com>----------From:  cskchen[SMTP:cskchen@cc.ntu.edu.tw]Sent:  Tuesday, March 05, 1996 6:30 AMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  info in IT FAQ=20Dear colleagues,Is the info reagarding TWAIN support and IT source code in the IT FAQ=20current? I haven't been able to acquire these support according to=20answers to these FAQ's. Please help. Thanks in advance!There are apparently some problems with TWAIN in the current version, =and we are looking into it.  As for the source, it appears that the zip =file is corrupted on the server.  I will be fixing the source problem =very soon.Don------------------------------Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:59:29 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: 'ImageTool List Server' Subject: RE: Greylevel position/valuesMessage-ID: <01BB0C36.5B99E440@slip29.xroads.com>----------From:  Derrick Flannigan[SMTP:flannig@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA]Sent:  Monday, March 04, 1996 8:04 PMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  Greylevel position/valuesHello,  First I would like to compliment you on a great piece of software.  I=20have been using IT since it was released and I am very impressed.  I have a question I hope you can answer.  I would like to export not=20only the grey-level values of my images  but the position of each also.The read out at the bottom left of the screen is exactly what I need in =a=20.txt, ASC, or spreadsheet file.  I was hoping a plug-in had been =written=20to do this ?The Analysis|Points command will give you this info.  The output is =placed into the results window, which can be exported as a text file, or =placed onto the clipboard and pasted into a spreadsheet.Don------------------------------Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:16:46 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: 'ImageTool List Server' Subject: RE: what is cifMessage-ID: <01BB0C36.7A3547A0@slip29.xroads.com>----------From:  Shaibani, Sanan[SMTP:sshaib@lsumc.edu]Sent:  Sunday, March 03, 1996 10:03 PMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  what is cif>Recently on the ITList>>>Does any one know how I can convert a TIF or BMP file to CIF.>>Any info on Tif-2-Cif type files or macros would be very helpful.>>I am unaware of such a format as CIF.  Please explain what is the real=20>name for the format, what is it used for and what type of software uses =>this format..real name: Caltech Intermediate Form (CIF),used in : Integrated circuit layout,=20software: Program like MAGIC.Does anyone have a pointer to documentation on this format?  If I had =it, either I could add support, or perhaps provide help on getting a =file filter developed.Don------------------------------Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:29:58 -0700From: Don Wilcox To: 'ImageTool List Server' Subject: RE: IT 1.2Message-ID: <01BB0C36.936297A0@slip29.xroads.com>----------From:  Hal Hawkins[SMTP:hal.hawkins@utmb.edu]Sent:  Monday, March 04, 1996 2:54 AMTo:  wilcox@xroads.comSubject:  IT 1.2I was also very favorably impressed with ImageTool v. 1.2 and =congratulatethe authors.  I also had the problem with closing the program in Windows =95,and had the same problem with my FTP program.  For now I'm keeping themminimized.  My question is:  is it possible to output data into a bona =fidespreadsheet such as Excel?  I also tried the macro to separate a colorimage into its 3 component colors.  It worked great, but I found I still =could not measure densities along a line, and I couldn't convert the=208-bit color image into greyscale since that macro requires 16-bit files.I'm glad you like it.  Here is what you need to do to get line profiles =along one of the separated images:  using the Process|Palette command =(available on the toolbar as well), select the file linear.pal.  This =will make the image grayscale, and you can then use the grayscale =analysis tools.As for the problem shutting down the app, I have to apologize, but I =have never hadthat happen to me, either using Windows95, or using =Windows NT, and running the app under BoundsChecker reports absolutely =no errors.  Normally, I would have addressed this by now, but with no =success reproducing it, I cannot think of anything to fix.  As an aside, =I did make a change for version 1.1 that seemed to fix the problem for =my beta tester, and that fix remains in the newest version.  One thinkg =you might want to check:  be absolutely sure that you have the newest =versions of the file owl252f.dll, bids45f.dll and cw3215.dll.  If you =are not sure, download the file dll.zip and get the latest versions.  =These files are from Borland, and the only thing I can think is that =some people have old versions of these files, and the fact that Borland =did not put version information into these files confuses the installer.Don------------------------------End of IT-LIST Digest 13